Curse

Lonesamurai · Jan 14, 2008, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Really, this is more about a deterrent than a punishment. The next time someone stumbles upon an exploit, they will think twice about trying to profit from it, and will be more inclined to send a support ticket or post it on the forums instead.

No they won't, you know that as well as i do, because people are both stupid and greedy in nearly equal measure

and anyway to get ahead of others in a game with no hierachy will be used

FeroxC · Jan 14, 2008, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Duncan = Bank owner leaving the doors unlocked and thieves wondering in.

Mallyx = Some guy drives a truck into the banks wall then the thieving hoardes move in.

You understand the difference ?

jeesuss89 · Jan 14, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

Duncan = Bank owner leaving the doors unlocked and thieves wondering in.

Mallyx = Some guy drives a truck into the banks wall then the thieving hoardes move in.

You understand the difference ?

You're saying that we should drive a truck into A-Net headquarters??? And that would be considered a hack??? Maybe if the driver was blind, coz' he'd have no idea where to look, and I'm sure no-one had an idea where this place was or even existed (except an a-net employee or someone mistakenly found it), so where would a hack begin to look??? Comparing a banker who leaves his doors open to a bug is ludicrous in the first place. Banks still have vaults which SHOULD be locked, in this case have been left wide open, and the bank has the customer to answer to when they wanna know where there money is.

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

all of you guys are acting like kids...
the point they are trying to say is that mallyx and duncan are two of the same, the only difference being is proffitability..

you can scream "hack" all you want. they thought it was a bug, just like duncan..so if you are one of the guys who have done duncan you sure as hell would have done this.
leave these guys alone and let them have they say for gawds sake

RTSFirebat · Jan 14, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

No...

Again it is not the same, they got to this hidden outpost via hacking the client, not via a oversight bug like the Duncan ferrying.

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Duncan = Bank owner leaving the doors unlocked and thieves wondering in.

Mallyx = Some guy drives a truck into the banks wall then the thieving hoardes move in.

You understand the difference ?

how much profit do you make from duncan runs?
as far as im aware you can just run right up to him and kill him, end of quest..
19k per run ...driving a truck into a bank....jeez you got a wierd imagination
REGARDLESS
defend this..
duncan and mallyx are two of the same "breach in agreement"
just different severities

also would like to say that plaync have not brushed me off and keep responding to my tickets fairly quickly.
to all those who ARE innocent keep at it

Aiden Arcana · Jan 14, 2008, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Why dig a hole searching for treasure when you don't have a map? Meaning if someone should happen to hack the .DAT file, how would they even know what to look for, if it didn't exist? Someone would have to KNOW for a FACT that it existed, and who would know that information? An Anet employee COULD have been the culprit. If someone can get into the FBI and was a Russian spy, then its obvious someone could get into Anet employment that shouldn't be there. Chew on that for a while, its delicious.

FeroxC · Jan 14, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by jeesuss89

You're saying that we should drive a truck into A-Net headquarters??? And that would be considered a hack??? Maybe if the driver was blind, coz' he'd have no idea where to look, and I'm sure no-one had an idea where this place was or even existed (except an a-net employee or someone mistakenly found it), so where would a hack begin to look??? Comparing a banker who leaves his doors open to a bug is ludicrous in the first place. Banks still have vaults which SHOULD be locked, in this case have been left wide open, and the bank has the customer to answer to when they wanna know where there money is.

I was trying to illustrate the difference for you as your obviously don't understand any of the technical aspects but i guess you were too thick to even understand that.

Trub · Jan 14, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

all of you guys are acting like kids...
the point they are trying to say is that mallyx and duncan are two of the same, the only difference being is proffitability..

you can scream "hack" all you want. they thought it was a bug, just like duncan..so if you are one of the guys who have done duncan you sure as hell would have done this.
leave these guys alone and let them have they say for gawds sake

Anya..I'm saddened you aren't grasping the purpose of a forum.
You make a statement, an opinion..an ideal...people respond.
Forums are like that.
As for any one having 'their say.'
Quite honestly..alot of the (117) have literally buried themselves here, on this forum, with their accounts on how many times they 'actually' went in to 'farm' for gems, and ONLY got 1-5 armbraces.
Please, continue to submit tickets to support..but don't scold forumers for trying to understand what the banned are really trying to say here.(Many are actually KIDS)

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

Anya..I'm saddened you aren't grasping the purpose of a forum.
You make a statement, an opinion..an ideal...people respond.
Forums are like that.
As for any one having 'their say.'
Quite honestly..alot of the (117) have literally buried themselves here, on this forum, with their accounts on how many times they 'actually' went in to 'farm' for gems, and ONLY got 1-5 armbraces.
Please, continue to submit tickets to support..but don't scold forumers for trying to understand what the banned are really trying to say here.

yeah shame really...
i seem to be the only one taking both accounts into consideration and posted unbiased comments..unlike yourself and many others
edit: no offence thou i have seen some good valid posts from you but please stop taking sides...they know they did wrong and ok they are trying to bring up other issues which are similar..you have to understand that feel this ban is unjust and unfair which imo is kinda severe. im fairly sure stripping them of all their titles and in game items/money/mats etc plus a 4 month ban would have the same effect

FeroxC · Jan 14, 2008, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Anya the key problem here is: It's your word VS Anet - they say it was a client side hack and you say it was a bug. You can't blame ppl for taking Anets side.

garethporlest18 · Jan 14, 2008, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

- HoS runs
This was not an exploit, it was simply the easiest dungeon in game, the way it was designed allowed players to run through it with no effort and easily kill the boss.
Then A.net redesigned the dungeon and give it a difficulty level comparable with some others.

Um you're way off mark with this one. HoS runs didn't have people using weapons or even attacking, what they did was use the barrels from the dude to kill everything. Anet has it setup so you can sit there and spam them. So we didn't have to use any skills or attacks, just have 8 people spam barrels to kill everything.

Also Anet didn't re-design anything. They made it so the doors only open if you kill the group near them, which isnt' any different. I think they fixed the barrel rate though so it's no longer spammable. Dungeon is still quite easy regardless.

Trub a lot of these forumers aren't trying to understand anything, some like to resort to personal attacks or close to. Some that should know better than to do that. I say that they aren't trying to understand because they've been told numerous times and ignore it.

Ferox no need for personal attacks.

Aiden I really dont' think that's what happened here.

Trub · Jan 14, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

yeah shame really...
i seem to be the only one taking both accounts into consideration and posted unbiased comments..unlike yourself and many others

You would be surprised how many of my posts were deleted by the mods here...

But, really guys and gals..
This forum is for discussion on a GAME.
It isn't real life.
ANet is going thru the logs of those that say they were wrongly banned.
Flaming on both sides isn't very productive...and remember..many here are just kids.
No one here can re open the accounts, we can't beg your cause to support...that is your responsibility.
Otherwise..keep trying..but for gawds sake..spamming their support team will not help you.

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by FeroxC

Anya the key problem here is: It's your word VS Anet - they say it was a client side hack and you say it was a bug. You can't blame ppl for taking Anets side.

and yet you scold the guys who thought it was the same thing as duncan which tbh is EXTREMELY LIKELY given the nature in which it WASNT dealt with .
dont class them as the hackers.
most of these guys are my friends who i enjoyed playing with. ok i am not defending them because what they did was wrong but to put them in the same boat as the original hacker is just plain wrong
stereotyping is a mistake only a child would make

btw the duncan glitch was an exploit...as people where gaining from an in game glitch..refer to previous threads for the definition of exploit

Aiden Arcana · Jan 14, 2008, 03:30 PM // 15:30

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Originally Posted by Trub

Quite honestly..a lot of the (117) have literally buried themselves here, on this forum, with their accounts on how many times they 'actually' went in to 'farm' for gems, and ONLY got 1-5 armbraces.

We are fighting for justice, I know people who got at least 16 ambraces from this, and I didn't get 1 ambrace. We both got perma-banned. Is that REALLY fair? Since we are comparing this to real world situations. Person one kills 16 people intentionally, person b commits manslaughter. Should the punishments be the same? No and while both DID harm someone, there were serious differences in the crimes at hand.

FeroxC · Jan 14, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31

If your right and this problem originated as nothing but a programming error(bug).
Then Anet lied in a public announcement, which i find hard to believe.Im not stereotyping you as hackers, i believe there was 1 hacker and hundreds of oppertunists with warped morals.

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

i myself am leaning towards the hacker story, as i feel anet would not lie or if they got it wrong then they would surely say so. regardless the 117 were not all hackers. of that im sure.

SirJackassIII · Jan 14, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

how much profit do you make from duncan runs?
as far as im aware you can just run right up to him and kill him, end of quest..
19k per run ...driving a truck into a bank....jeez you got a wierd imagination
REGARDLESS
defend this..
duncan and mallyx are two of the same "breach in agreement"
just different severities

also would like to say that plaync have not brushed me off and keep responding to my tickets fairly quickly.
to all those who ARE innocent keep at it

Duncan takes 30 minutes - 1 hour depending on the group (and they can be bad...like really, really bad). So at most you'll do the run twice in an hours (not likely). So, taking the optimum of 2 runs/hour AND under the assumpton that there's someone ready to fill in the hole so you have someone with all 4 areas done.
The reward per run is:
2.750 gold
1 Onyx Gemstone
1 Armor set
1 Green/Gold/Gemstone/Diamond

So, 5.5k gold, 2 Onyx Gemstones, 2 armor sets and 2 Other. Onyx was what 3-4k at release? So 13.5k tops if they had a good group.

The Mallyx run apparently took around 20 minutes. So 3 runs per hour.
The reward per run is:
1 Armor piece
1 Green
1 gemset (worth 18k)
So in 1 hour, they made 3 Armor Pieces, 3 Greens and 48k gold

So Mallyx yields in almost 4 times as much gold and an additional armor set and green in the same time.

As to why Duncan and Mallyx are different, I already went over this here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=1942

Which will probably stop being correct if a lot of posts keep disappearing (even posts by mods

)

The Great Ithqua · Jan 14, 2008, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trub

Anya..I'm saddened you aren't grasping the purpose of a forum.
You make a statement, an opinion..an ideal...people respond.
Forums are like that.
As for any one having 'their say.'
Quite honestly..alot of the (117) have literally buried themselves here, on this forum, with their accounts on how many times they 'actually' went in to 'farm' for gems, and ONLY got 1-5 armbraces.
Please, continue to submit tickets to support..but don't scold forumers for trying to understand what the banned are really trying to say here.(Many are actually KIDS)

Actually there are some who didnt get anything from the outpost other than white items drop by mobs and 100+ gold i was 1 of them. To tell you the truth though gaile said those who went in a few times wont get ban.. i remember i went in 3 times played 2 times failed mission 2 times.. profit i gain..less than 500 gold i still got ban..lolz i wonder what they mean by a few times if 3 gets ban than the rest of the 116 wont have much chance of getting back their accounts. Well of course Anet has the log, but haven got an answer on how many times i went in. must be busy..lolz

high priestess anya · Jan 14, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Duncan takes 30 minutes - 1 hour depending on the group (and they can be bad...like really, really bad). So at most you'll do the run twice in an hours (not likely). So, taking the optimum of 2 runs/hour AND under the assumpton that there's someone ready to fill in the hole so you have someone with all 4 areas done.
The reward per run is:
2.750 gold
1 Onyx Gemstone
1 Armor set
1 Green/Gold/Gemstone/Diamond

So, 5.5k gold, 2 Onyx Gemstones, 2 armor sets and 2 Other. Onyx was what 3-4k at release? So 13.5k tops if they had a good group.

The Mallyx run apparently took around 20 minutes. So 3 runs per hour.
The reward per run is:
1 Armor piece
1 Green
1 gemset (worth 18k)
So in 1 hour, they made 3 Armor Pieces, 3 Greens and 48k gold

So Mallyx yields in almost 4 times as much gold and an additional armor set and green in the same time.

As to why Duncan and Mallyx are different, I already went over this here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...postcount=1942

Which will probably stop being correct if a lot of posts keep disappearing (even posts by mods

)

regardless this still doesnt discount that the duncan violation was also in breach of the user agreement and to my knowledge if you break the rules you get punished...
if you dont get punished then maybe when next bug comes along you might be more willing to give it a shot.
you understand?